Negative Incentives for Being Late

11 02 2011

For those of you interested in developing a negative incentive solution for lates during my first period class, use the comment section of the post to develop a list of realistic, feasible negative incentives.  The incentives cannot involve money.  They can involve a small number of marks.

Are there any rules or exceptions you would want enforced?

My first period class, BTA 3O1, is 16 students.

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25 responses

12 02 2011
Noah S

***If someone reads this can they comment and tell me if we were supposed to make a positive and a negative incentive solution, or just one??***

I believe that a negative incentive is the best solution because it is foolish to reward someone for doing what there expected to do. In the real world, if you come late to your job, there are consequences, but none such consequences seem to exist in the classroom. I believe the best way to make students come on time would be to implement a small quiz once or twice a week at the beginning of class, one which only students who are on time are allowed to write. This provides incentive for the students to come earlier because likely, they will be easy and basically free marks.

12 02 2011
cathytran

I think we’re supposed to comment on just the one we support (and I suppose you could comment on both if you want). 🙂

13 02 2011
Noah Schafer

Thx:)

12 02 2011
cathytran

I also agree that a negative incentive is the best solution. Like John and Steven already mentioned, the majority of students aren’t late, so it just makes sense to implement a negative incentive.

I think a good way to discourage students from arriving to class late is to use each late as one deducted mark each for an upcoming quiz, assignment or test. I’d say that this is more effective than having a particular grade percentage based on punctuality because I think that students see a more direct consequence when marks are taken off of quizzes, assignments and tests. They would still have room for non-late improvement since one or two marks off an assignment isn’t too big of a deal. However, to take into account the students who arrive on time regularly, up to two lates can be accepted (i.e. won’t count as negative marks on assessments).

12 02 2011
cathytran

I just realized that my last sentence may not have been clear. What I meant was that the accepted lates take into account the emergencies that regular early birds may encounter.

13 02 2011
Alexei Goudzenko

After hearing every bodies opinions on this, I have changed my mind and I now think negative incentives is the better idea. Students are expected to come on time, no question about it.

My idea would be to kinda bluff the class by saying the number of lates will corresponding to the degree of marks that will be deducted on the isp and exams.

But of course not actually do it.

13 02 2011
nyaklha

In my opinion negative incentive is the best way to deal with late students, because rewarding someone for doing something they are expected to do is not rational. what the school is doing right now to “prevent” students from being late is not effective, instead of stopping the school as a whole by sending all the late students to the cafe and delaying the students from coming anywhere near their classes, the punishment for being late should be issued within the classes that the students are late to, for example make the student stand outside the class while the other classmates take a small quiz, that would encourage the late students to come to class on time to get those easy free marks. Also being late should have some kind of a link to losing marks but at a very minimal level, for example the your mark for attendance starts out at 20, and lose a mark every time the student is late and if absent without a note deduct 5 marks, this would have some kind of effect on a project that has a very low weight category.

13 02 2011
Dani Tavroges

I definitely agree with Noah, even though my other post the other day suggested a positive incentive. Not to sound repetitive but no matter whatever or wherever you go in today’s society, it is expected that one comes on time. I would recommend either taking off marks on quizzes or tests, or not allowing students to participate in bonus questions ext. As it is inevitable that once or twice even frequently on time students will come late, there should be a minimum to where it starts (like each student is allowed 2-3 lates).

13 02 2011
Linda Lei

I believe that negative incentives can solve this problem because it’s more useful and students can clearly see the consequence of being late to class. I think teacher should give out free marks that will be added on final marks to students who never late for classes. This method can encourage students to come on time because everyone wants to get free marks and it also shows respects to teachers and other classmates.

13 02 2011
Alex Yesikov

As everyone already pointed out that being rewarded for something that you are expected to do isn’t something that is going to be done once we get out of high school. That is why i also think that negative incentive is better. I think the best way to get student to come on time would be easy quizzes in the beginning of every class. The quizzes shouldn’t be waited heavily in the calculation of the final mark but still significant enough to encourage students to get to class on time. I think 5% of your final grade is a significant enough weighting factor to encourage people to be punctual.

13 02 2011
dmitritk

In my opinion, a problem with kids these days is not enough community involvement. So why not mix this problem with the problem of kids being late? I think that if we made students do community service hours for the times they are late, we can get a lot of positive outcome. First, not everyone likes to do stuff for others for free. So if you arrive late, you will be called down to the office at lunch or after school and given an assignment to do. For example, it could be helping at the library for a certain amount of lunches, helping at a nearby elderly home for a certain amount of hours. Im sure not all students would want that and will try to arrive on time just to escape this. As we can see, we are killing two birds with one stone. We will be punishing the student for arriving late, while providing needed services for the community. This might even encourage students to go out and volunteer on their own. For student, this could be seen as a negative incentive, but the community this is a very positive incentive.

13 02 2011
kiruban1

I believe it would be wise to make an negative incentive that affects part of the student’s mark. After all, the mark is what students are most concerned about. That’s what I’ve experienced myself from Mr.Stitt’s first period Comm-tech class. I thought it was very effective because I’ve noticed that students who usually arrive late have changed their ways to being more punctual. It has even made me come earlier than usual!

You should discuss this matter with Mr.Stitt and how he employs student’s lates into the marking scheme. I think you’ll learn allot from him.

13 02 2011
Dylan Huber

I agree with what Alex said with having quiz which affect the marks however that does not take into account students who simply don’t care about the class since the weighting value is so low. If the amount which was taken was increased, there would be more cause to return to class. With a greater value on the marks, it forces kids to attend if they want to pass. I believe it the value of these quizzes should be 15% as opposed to 5%. That way there is a greater effect on the marks.

13 02 2011
Benjamin Gray

As stated previously, I strongly believe that a negative incentive would be the best way to solve the number of late students in high school. I support this idea as opposed to a positive incentive simply because I do not believe that students should be awarded for an action that they are expected to do anyways. As mentioned in previous comments, I agree with other ideas in which marks should be deducted following students coming late to school. Of course, this mark deduction would only apply to daily assignments excluding highly weighted work such as tests, quizzes, ISPs and exams. I believe that this would be an excellent way of not denying students of any class time, but still punishing them for their wrong doing.

13 02 2011
Ilia Merkoulovitch

I would suggest using negative incentives because the majority of people are not late. If one were to offer $5 to the student who has the least amount of lates at the end of each month, those students who don’t care will continue being late, as there is no consequence. However, my idea gives positive incentives to those who aren’t late, and negative to those who are.
Using a system based on marks would probably work best. A tally could be kept of how many lates each student accumulates each month. At, let’s say, 3, is the line where 0 incentives are rewarded. For 0, 1, and 2 lates, the student would receive 4, 3, and 2 extra marks, respectively, on the first test of the next month. For 4, 5, and 6 lates, 1, 2, and 3 marks are actually taken away from the mark of the student.
If a student is late more than 6 times, he or she should be dealt with directly. The amount of marks given or taken away would depend on how much tests are usually out of. These numbers are suitable for a test out of around 50 marks.

13 02 2011
Kevin Yeo

I believe that negative incentives are the best way to deal with the problems of lateness amongst students. Timeliness is easy and something everyone should be able to achieve. Rewarding a person for doing something everyone should do is not right. Being late should be punished. My suggestion would be to write quick, easy quizzes right at the beginning of classes on the material taught in the previous class. Late students would be unable to write the quizzes and would get zeroes. This would punish late students whose marks would be lowered.

13 02 2011
Nahee Kim

I think negative incentive is a better solution than positive becuase since not all people are late, it is not fair for some students if school use positive incentive. I used to think that positive incentive will have effect the students better from not being late. However, i think being awarded isn’t a very good idea for students to acheive not being late. Whenever students are late several times, it should go into their unversity application or take marks off. In this way, there will be a lower chance for them to arrive late. Also, The reason why im opposed to positive incentive is becuase students need to learn from their mistakes and not for the reward. I belive that it is better for their future when they go into university or getting a job becuase they won’t be awarded at that time but to have bad reputation of being late. On the other hand, they have to learn to track the time wisely.

13 02 2011
Maria Li

After much consideration and some thought, I think a negative incentive would be the best in solving the problem of students being late (although the other day, I suggested a positive incentive). The other day, I suggested teachers give bonus quizzes to those that are on time while those that are late don’t really get affected. The flaw with that incentive is that the students who are late get no punishment, and they might not have any need for those bonus marks so they might not even feel obligated to get to school on time. Instead, I think teachers should deduct marks from late students because high school students can tolerate not gaining marks but they can’t afford to lose them. I agree with what Benjamin stated previously about excluding major grade contributors (tests, ISPs, exams) because the incentive should not discourage students in anyway.

13 02 2011
Mike Seo

As I have mentioned in the previous comments, it is ridiculous that we reward those for being on time. It is the students’ responsibilities to be on time for class. I believe it is best to give short pop quizzes in the beginning of the class such that missing few quizzes would not jeopardize the student’s final grade. If students are regularly late, he/she would have drop in his/her marks, so they would try their best to be on time. However, the quizzes themselves should not take a large proportion of the final grade (something like 3-5% would be the good).

14 02 2011
chrisliguy

I don’t think an incentive that affects the student’s mark would be the right solution. Marks are suppose to reflect the academic achievement of the student, for no reason should a student who are late due to the inconsistencies of public transit receive a lower mark than one who lives close by. Also, I may be generalizing here, but the students who are late are typically the ones who care little about their marks in a certain course even if a late policy that affect their marks was not implemented. Thus, it will only be able to solve part of the problem. I think a good solution would be the usual: putting the student in detention after school for the amount of time he or she was late. It may not be in the best interest of teachers to deal with their students after school but I believe the incentive of spending time at school, after school would be more effective than lowering the marks of the students.

14 02 2011
Joey Keum

A negative economic incentive that a teacher can implement is to make a section in the students grades where attendance and commitment to the class would get you a better grade. So perhaps around 5% of the student’s final grade. These are just suggestions that i believe that may reduce the amount of lates within Mackenzie.

14 02 2011
Heshani Makalande

In my opinion, negative incentive is the better solution to reduce the daily number of late comers. Many classes are already having pop quizzes every morning, but it hasn’t encouraged students to come on time, as there are still a large number of students who walk into class late. Therefore, maybe these quizzes should be weighted more, in order to make the students realize that it is important to be on time for these quizzes. Also, the school can monitor the students who are consistently late and give them after school detention; for example, helping the school cleaners to clean classrooms and the hallways or other mandatory work. In the long-run if these students continue this habit of being late, they should be suspended from all extra curricular activities in school.

14 02 2011
Peter S

I agree. These quizzes should be weighted more in order to be an incentive otherwise student may just not pay attention to that. Also I think there should be a mark for coming on time that can increase student;s average in the end of the semester/ year. Summing up students should understand that if they come late they will lose marks that can affect their final results

15 02 2011
Carolyne Wang

I agree with everyone that implementing a daily quiz would reduce the number of students who are late. So, everyday, as soon as the anthem begins to play, shut the door so late students have to wait outside, and after the announcements are done hand out the quiz. The late students can enter the room once everyone who was on time wrote the quiz.
I think the quizzes should be worth about 10% of the mark, so that it is not so small that students don’t mind if it’s deducted from their mark, but not so large, like 15%, that it’s worth as much as an exam in some courses. These quizzes can be similar to an ISP almost, an ISP where students put the knowledge they learned to the test and learn to perfect punctuality.

13 09 2011
Amy

None of these suggestions are related to being late. I think natural consequences are more effective. If a student is late, they stay after without receiving a late pass from me. I don’t know that taking points off a quiz teaches a student to be on time…isn’t the quiz there to see how much or how little the student has learned? Not if he/she is able to come to class on time.

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